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if it was george zimmerman's voice, if trayvon martin and he got into an altercation, and trayvon really was smashing his head into the concrete and he really was screaming out and genuinely feared his life might be in danger, would that give him justification for taking the action that he did. >> i think that's strong justification for self-acquittal. on the other hand i think if you feel that it was trayvon martin yelling out and screaming, it's a very different case. >> here's the problem, we just don't know that. we're not going to know that, we're not going to know so many things about this, the only two people who know, one is dead, trayvon martin. and one is george zimmerman, fighting for his -- not for his life, but fighting for his freedom. either way, he could be found guilty of manslaughter and still get 20 years because trayvon was 17 years old. >> that's very true, and that may be justice in the case, you're absolutely right, it's a circumstantial case, the evidence is circumstantial. the evidence is really what story you believe. the defense is telling a very different stor
if it was george zimmerman's voice, if trayvon martin and he got into an altercation, and trayvon really was smashing his head into the concrete and he really was screaming out and genuinely feared his life might be in danger, would that give him justification for taking the action that he did. >> i think that's strong justification for self-acquittal. on the other hand i think if you feel that it was trayvon martin yelling out and screaming, it's a very different case. >> here's...
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>> that's correct. >> let's talk for a moment about the injury to trayvon martin's knuckle. do you remember there being in the photographs and the discussion in the autopsy an abrasion on the left hand fourth finger. >> right. >> do you agree with dr. bao that's an abrasion type injury? >> it appears to be. >> is that consistent with having come in contact with a hard surface or impacting some other surface? >> it's consistent with impacting a hard surface. >> would concrete qualify in. >> concrete can qualify, yes. >> in your training and experience under circumstances like this, would you expect to see bruising on the knuckles if there had been punching going on? >> you can see bruising or you cannot see bruising. it depends what part of the body you punch. the softer the portion, you may not see it. in a case like this you can have bruising but it may not be visible unless you cut open the hand, the skin and peel it back. there may have been bruising there that we don't know about or there may not have been bruising but it doesn't make that much difference. you can punch
>> that's correct. >> let's talk for a moment about the injury to trayvon martin's knuckle. do you remember there being in the photographs and the discussion in the autopsy an abrasion on the left hand fourth finger. >> right. >> do you agree with dr. bao that's an abrasion type injury? >> it appears to be. >> is that consistent with having come in contact with a hard surface or impacting some other surface? >> it's consistent with impacting a hard...
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martin or trayvon martin who attacked george zimmerman? >> that's correct. >> you can't testify as to who threw the first punch? >> that's correct, sir. >> fact, you can't testify whether there was a first punch throwing? >> that's correct, sir. >> you can't say whether it was trayvon martin defending himself or george zimmerman defending himself in terms of when this first started? >> that's correct, sir. >> you're really testimony is only focusing on at the time of the actual shot, correct? would that be accurate? >> that's correct, sir. >> you're not stating here are you that everything george zimmerman stated at the statement you saw, the reenactment is the complete gospel truth? >> that's correct, sir. i'm just stating the nature of the gunshot wound being consistent with the account. >> were you aware, sir, that the defendant had given one, two, three, i believe at least four, maybe five statements prior to that one? >> i believe you had mentioned that to me, sir. >> i think i mentioned that in your deposition, right? >> yes, sir. >>
martin or trayvon martin who attacked george zimmerman? >> that's correct. >> you can't testify as to who threw the first punch? >> that's correct, sir. >> fact, you can't testify whether there was a first punch throwing? >> that's correct, sir. >> you can't say whether it was trayvon martin defending himself or george zimmerman defending himself in terms of when this first started? >> that's correct, sir. >> you're really testimony is only...
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he was profiling trayvon martin. i believe that all of those things are true, and i wouldn't be surprised if the jury thought that was true, but that's really not the issue. the issue is was this case proved beyond a reasonable doubt when focussing on the evidence, and i don't think that it's been. >> i agree. >> let me ask you about the jury itself. we've got six women, five are mothers. to me, when sybrina fulton gave her evidence, that was incredibly powerful and seen her walking out of the courtroom unable to see or hear certain parts of testimony involving her son. that has to hit home with mothers. that has to at some stage hit home. >> as you know, i was part of the o.j. simpson defense team and i sat in front of the simpson family and the goldman family and they were visibly moved every single solitary day. and everyone in that courtroom felt for them but at the end of the day you have to put that aside if you follow the the judge's instructions and most jurors do and focus on the evidence. you feel for the p
he was profiling trayvon martin. i believe that all of those things are true, and i wouldn't be surprised if the jury thought that was true, but that's really not the issue. the issue is was this case proved beyond a reasonable doubt when focussing on the evidence, and i don't think that it's been. >> i agree. >> let me ask you about the jury itself. we've got six women, five are mothers. to me, when sybrina fulton gave her evidence, that was incredibly powerful and seen her walking...
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so they are very committed to trayvon's leg gas i. and trayvon's legacy means so much to this country, in that hopefully he has made america more aware that all people are important, but also too that we is to be more mindful as to how we treat one another, how we profile one another, how we evoke our judicial process when things occur. all of those things will be part of trayvon's legacy. >> i'm interested, first of all, in whether moving forward includes perhaps a civil suit. >> well, we don't talk about that much publicly on our side of things. when we make those type of decisions, we don't sue insolvent people. we sue people -- it's an informed decision. so we don't -- that wouldn't be a very public situation when that decision is made, how we handle it, and we'll confer with our clients. we'll make that decision. right now, though, i think this verdict is so fresh, we don't have that second conversation not yet. i think right now it's really an important time for the country and the martin family to think about how we treat racia
so they are very committed to trayvon's leg gas i. and trayvon's legacy means so much to this country, in that hopefully he has made america more aware that all people are important, but also too that we is to be more mindful as to how we treat one another, how we profile one another, how we evoke our judicial process when things occur. all of those things will be part of trayvon's legacy. >> i'm interested, first of all, in whether moving forward includes perhaps a civil suit. >>...
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>> justice for -- >> trayvon martin! >> justice for -- >> trayvon martin! >> people shouting "justice for trayvon martin" while marching through the streets. this remained mostly peaceful so far pept for one protest in oakland, california where a public transit car was smashed. in washington people marched late into the night calling for more to join them. and in chicago protesters carried a giant sign saying "we are trayvon." they also chanted "not one more." back in florida a group of young demonstrators had an emotional moment as they sang quietly on the steps of the capitol building in tallahassee. civil rights leaders are reacting with shock and frustration. the reverend jesse jackson gave us his take earlier today. take a look and a listen. >> i remain stunned at this decision, that the grown man armed murdered the unarmed boy going home because he suspected him. the state's attorney avoided the issue of race. the defense team denied the issue of race. and yet race profile was obvious from the very beginning. you look on the jury without a black or wi
>> justice for -- >> trayvon martin! >> justice for -- >> trayvon martin! >> people shouting "justice for trayvon martin" while marching through the streets. this remained mostly peaceful so far pept for one protest in oakland, california where a public transit car was smashed. in washington people marched late into the night calling for more to join them. and in chicago protesters carried a giant sign saying "we are trayvon." they also chanted...
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we don't know if trayvon martin sent them. she mentioned a 7-year-old can break into a phone and send messages out. my 7-year-old changed the code on my phone. so i think in real life, trying to authenticate social media messages is very difficult. when you have the person whose phone it belonged to dead, how do you properly authenticate it? i don't think it's coming in own that basis. and even if it's relevant, it's so prejudicial. it's not probative of anything. i can't imagine that this kind of information is coming in. and i don't think that the defense should want it in. it's that trash the victim defense that is never successful. i agree with jeff. this defense is doing very well. they should rest and let this go to the jury. >> let me counter argue that to danny and get your opinion. what the defense is saying is well, look, the prosecution, you know, went to great lengths to get evidence of george zimmerman allegedly learning mixed martial arts and that was allowed in. so if there are, in fact, texts from trayvon marti
we don't know if trayvon martin sent them. she mentioned a 7-year-old can break into a phone and send messages out. my 7-year-old changed the code on my phone. so i think in real life, trying to authenticate social media messages is very difficult. when you have the person whose phone it belonged to dead, how do you properly authenticate it? i don't think it's coming in own that basis. and even if it's relevant, it's so prejudicial. it's not probative of anything. i can't imagine that this kind...
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martin, martin -- trayvon martin said you got me. so he could speak, and we also had to explain the reason. why trayvon martin's arms were underneath kind of clutching at his chest. he had to be able to move, so this would explain that. >> so this really -- danny, bolsters on the defense's case and verifies if you believe this witness, what george zimmerman's story is. >> of course, it's more than that. this is a terrific expert. a terrific pathologist who uses imagery to drive complex issues home. we're talking about some -- even though he says it's not a complex case and he's probably right from a forensic stand point, talking about the operations of the heart and how it affects the brain and how long you can live. the idea of reaching into your heart and yanking it out. even though none of us have seen that, except maybe a movie, we can imagine that and that drives it home. it under skorcores the importan of having an expert that knows what he's talking about. if they can't communicate it, they aren't worth when you pay. >> mark,
martin, martin -- trayvon martin said you got me. so he could speak, and we also had to explain the reason. why trayvon martin's arms were underneath kind of clutching at his chest. he had to be able to move, so this would explain that. >> so this really -- danny, bolsters on the defense's case and verifies if you believe this witness, what george zimmerman's story is. >> of course, it's more than that. this is a terrific expert. a terrific pathologist who uses imagery to drive...
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martin, trayvon martin said you got me. so he could speak. we also had to explain the reason why trayvon martin's arms were underneath, kind of clutching at his chest. he had to be able to move, so this would explain that. >> so danny, this bolsters obviously the defense's case, it verifies what george zimmerman's story is. >> of course. it's more than that. this is an example of a terrific pathologist who uses imagery to drive complex issues home. even though he says it's not a complex case, talking about the operations of the heart and how it affects the brain and how long you can live, he uses some simple images, the idea of someone reaching into your heart and yanking it out. we can imagine that, and that drives it home. i think this underscores the importance of having an expert that not only knows the science but is able secondly to communicate it. if they can't communicate it, they're not worth what you pay them. >> mark, you used this guy on the stand in cases of your own. does the jury -- they got it out on evidenc
martin, trayvon martin said you got me. so he could speak. we also had to explain the reason why trayvon martin's arms were underneath, kind of clutching at his chest. he had to be able to move, so this would explain that. >> so danny, this bolsters obviously the defense's case, it verifies what george zimmerman's story is. >> of course. it's more than that. this is an example of a terrific pathologist who uses imagery to drive complex issues home. even though he says it's not a...
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goode saw trayvon martin straddling and striking mr. zimmerman with mr. zimmerman on his back consistent with the forensic evidence that you found at the time of the shot? >> yes, sir. >> that statement i take it is separate and apart from mr. zimmerman's statement describing essentially the same thing. >> again, i would not have used that to give my opinion. i have to use the physical evidence in conjunction with the statement of mr. zimmerman. >>> you pointed out in your direct evidence that there were two lacerations on the back of mr. zimmerman's head and that you testified that you believed those two have been from separate impacts. >> yes, sir. >> because you can see the sort of valley in between. >> yes, sir. >> those were the two blows that created the lacerations. >> in addition they were so separate that if you impacted one you couldn't get the other one. there were two reasons. >> your testimony was that was consistent with having mr. zimmerman's head struck at least twice on a surface like concrete. >> objection. leading nature of the question
goode saw trayvon martin straddling and striking mr. zimmerman with mr. zimmerman on his back consistent with the forensic evidence that you found at the time of the shot? >> yes, sir. >> that statement i take it is separate and apart from mr. zimmerman's statement describing essentially the same thing. >> again, i would not have used that to give my opinion. i have to use the physical evidence in conjunction with the statement of mr. zimmerman. >>> you pointed out in...
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what does this do in light of that to trayvon martin? >> they weren't almost character witnesses, they were character witnesses. we sat there and listened to the vietnam veteran, make us relive the vietnam war in court the other day. and all he did and used that to bolster the situation. we've heard all type of witnesses that have bolstered the character. so i think your insinuation that it was a somewhat character -- no, it was. i think you're right on point. and most people saw it as that. >> reporter: so wolf, right now, we just watch and wait to see what happens with this particular ruling. as you mentioned, the judge wants to get this process moving. she's got a jury waiting to hear more testimony. the defense wants to make their case over the next several days, so depending upon what happens with this ruling, we'll see if new evidence will be dpladmitteo the case. >> they've been discussing this since 8:30 a.m. eastern, 90 minutes or so. the judge clearly frustrated it was taking so long. she wants those jurors back in the courtroo
what does this do in light of that to trayvon martin? >> they weren't almost character witnesses, they were character witnesses. we sat there and listened to the vietnam veteran, make us relive the vietnam war in court the other day. and all he did and used that to bolster the situation. we've heard all type of witnesses that have bolstered the character. so i think your insinuation that it was a somewhat character -- no, it was. i think you're right on point. and most people saw it as...
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take a look. >> justice for trayvon! justice for trayvon! justice for trayvon! >> those protesters are shouting "justice for trayvon." those who gathered did remain peaceful. no arrests were made, but "the miami herald" reported that at least one verbal fight broke out between protesters, a man and a woman arguing over the role of race in the trial. >> keep an eye that, but also, another stunning story happening overnight, the tragic death of actor cory monteith. the canadian native who became famous playing finn hudson on the hit tv show "glee" was found in a vancouver hotel room saturday. monteith's body was found by hotel staff yesterday after he missed his check-out time. nick valencia is in atlanta monitoring all of this. and it's truly a tragic story, nick. he's so young. what's the latest you're hearing? >> good morning, kate. sudden and tragic. the cause of death is not immediately known, but police have ruled out foul play. an autopsy is set for monday. just to remind our viewers, cory monteith skyrocketed to fame as part of the hit tv show "glee." he p
take a look. >> justice for trayvon! justice for trayvon! justice for trayvon! >> those protesters are shouting "justice for trayvon." those who gathered did remain peaceful. no arrests were made, but "the miami herald" reported that at least one verbal fight broke out between protesters, a man and a woman arguing over the role of race in the trial. >> keep an eye that, but also, another stunning story happening overnight, the tragic death of actor cory...